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Thursday, February 5, 2009

Should The South Secede From The Union?

Many thanks to all who participated in the poll.
The question was:
Taking all factors into consideration (what the Bible says about this, current political state, etc.) should the South secede from the Union?
This is a very weighty question and I was glad to see that the poll was as close as it was.

What I would like to do is have y'all comment on why you voted how you voted, this will bring up some interesting discussion.
I will then give you my opinion next week when we return from the Christians at the Crossroads conference!

So, comments please!

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Blogger Johnson said...

Hello, Stephen. My name is Johnson Hardy, and my mom just pointed your blog out to me a couple of weeks ago. Our family knows of yours through our mutual friends, the Fords.

We plan to be at the Crossroads Conference, Lord willing, and I would enjoy meeting you then. I checked your profile, and we have quite a bit of similar interests - I was thrilled to find someone who knew about sheepdogs, Blackwater, bluegrass, krav maga, and Skaggs. Very nice array of books, too!

Mom suggested I go ahead and sort of introduce myself online, so we'll have something like a base of operations established if we do run into each other in GA.

God bless, and hope to see you at Crossroads!

February 5, 2009 at 4:24 PM  
Blogger Stephen Boyd said...

Thanks for the comment.

Look forward to meeting you!

February 5, 2009 at 5:36 PM  
Blogger Dr. Paleo Ph.D. said...

LOVE the new banner btw. I just reviewed Taken if you want to read it. It was kinda like the Bourne Identity I thought....

How ya been, Stephen?

February 6, 2009 at 12:57 AM  
Blogger Robert said...

The reason I believe that the South should secede from the Union is primarily what has been written in the Declaration of Independence about oppressive government. The United States was formed when the government our founding fathers were under became too oppressive toward America. They had war with Britain to gain independence from her. Our founding fathers knew that eventually this government will become too oppressive. Therefore, they stated what they knew was right about seceding from their mother country. As citizens of the United States, we should uphold our duty to revere and obey the Declaration of Independence. I believe the South has every Constitutional right to secede, through I'm not certain. Perhaps later I will look up what it (the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution) says specifically about that and bring it up here.


February 6, 2009 at 11:28 AM  
Blogger Ana Smith said...

I voted no, and here’s why, although I am willing to be proved wrong:

First off, I am not discussing the issue of whether or not it is right for a state to secede. I believe that the United States and the South were correct in seceding from the oppressive governments of England and the Union. Instead, I am discussing what should be done under the present circumstances.

God is completely sovereign in all of the atrocities currently occurring. Leviticus 26 lays out the stipulations of the covenant. If the people act righteously, God will bless us. If we transgress the Word of God, God will curse us. Period.

Our nation is under a curse. This curse has not arrived solely on the part of the pagan and secular world, but largely because of the failures of the Church. We, Christians and non, deserve Obama and this oppressive government.

The United States originally separated from England because it had already largely begun functioning as a country of its own. The colonies were overall acting righteously and spreading the Dominion Mandate and the Great Commission. It was time for change in authorities. Either England had to straighten up and fly right or the colonies had to set up their own form of government.

During the Second War for Independence, the North was separating itself from the Godly foundation of the U.S. The South wanted to continue in the footsteps of their forefathers, so they fought for it.

The book of Samuel in Scripture is a story of political change. Israel’s choice to place itself underneath a monarchy was idolatrous. But, David had no choice in that, and God raised him up to be the greatest mortal king of history.

The Israelites in Babylonian captivity were commanded to take wives, have children, to live.

In both Scriptural cases God’s covenant people were not living righteously. In both American cases, the Church was doing right in many areas. Today, whether you live in L.A., Minnesota, Texas, or Atlanta, you live in a pagan society with lip-service churches who aren’t carrying out God’s commands. Every American deserves the chaos we’re living through. These curses are from God.

History is a series of changes, we have to accept that. That doesn’t mean we agree with every change, or that we do nothing to reverse the curses back to blessings. These are the times that revival comes, that the Church grows stronger. The answer isn’t always to separate or to hide. And I don’t believe this is a time for that.

However, these are my thoughts for the moment. I may very well be wrong and change my mind as God’s word is better revealed to me. So, please take no offense.

February 8, 2009 at 8:19 PM  
Blogger Robert said...

Good point Ana. I don't think the South is being oppressed at this point in time at all. Though as Christians we are being oppressed without question. If we as Christians living in the South decided to secede from the Union or the United States in general, then we have every right morally (because the Bible states that we are to uphold the law of the land) and legally because of what the Declaration of Independence was based upon. So I guess my point is that as Southerners we have no reason to secede (even though we have the right) but as Christians we should consider seceding from this country so as to remove ourselves from God's judgment upon this land.

February 9, 2009 at 8:25 AM  
Blogger Emil Bandy said...

I voted no

Sorry..... I don't currently have the time to write out an explanation on why I voted thus... I'm studying quite a bit for my next CLEP test, though I might be able to write something up at some time.

February 9, 2009 at 10:26 AM  
Blogger Ana Smith said...

Robert: Thank you for your clarification.

Like you said, it isn't a regional consideration anymore, the South has blended in too much. Christians are being oppressed, but we brought that on ourselves. The innocent always suffer with the guilty throughout history.

Yes, there exists the right to secede. But, I am failing to understand how separating ourselves from the U.S. would remove us from God's judgment.

The Constitution is no longer upheld as the law of the land. And, if we were to secede, I would think it best to remove ourselves completely from the U.S., which would require a new law for the land.

Just trying to think this through, not saying I'm right. :-)

February 9, 2009 at 2:23 PM  
Blogger Stephen Boyd said...

I am very impressed by the discussion that has gone on in my absence.

I want to encourage y'all to find a biblical pattern precept or principle for why you voted how you voted, as Ana has done.

I appreciate everyone's feedback and think this has been a very profitable discussion.

February 9, 2009 at 3:01 PM  

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